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  1. Thanks again for a good explanation of God’s Word. Keep up the good work!

  2. You stated that-

    (“Acts 2:38 makes it clear that this third way of receiving the Holy Spirit was a salvation event, being accompanied by the forgiveness of sins”)

    but doesn’t Acts 2:38 only says that repentance and baptism was unto the remission of sins, and that receiving the Holy Spirit would follow rather than co-occurring with salvation?

    • Actually there is no time reference in the text; there is nothing there that suggest a temporal sequence is intended, i.e., that the giving of the Holy Spirit would FOLLOW the repentance and baptism. If such were the intention we would expect a word similar to “then” or “after that” (which is not in the text). The fact that the Spirit is given in baptism (for regeneration and sanctification) is affirmed by the fact that regeneration itself is in other places connected with baptism (e.g., *John 3:5; Rom. 6:3-4; Col. 2:12; Titus 3:5). This is WHY we are given the gift of the Spirit in baptism: so that he can work this saving work upon our hearts. It seems illogical to me that the Spirit would work this salvation upon our hearts in baptism, and then at some later time begin to dwell within us. This would be putting the effect before the cause. [*Please — I hope that no one tries to argue that these passages do not refer to water baptism. Eph. 4:5 says clearly there is only ONE baptism. I have discussed them all at length in my book, Baptism: A Biblical Study.]

      • Greetings;
        Your statement

        “If such were the intention we would expect a word similar to “then” or “after that” (which is not in the text”

        really does not play out in the Greek.

        Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
        Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

        • Here is a good use of and / καὶ without “then or after that”.

          Luk 6:4 ὡς εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸν οἶκον τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ τοὺς ἄρτους τῆς προθέσεως ἔλαβε καὶ ἔφαγε, καὶ ἔδωκε καὶ τοῖς μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ, οὓς οὐκ ἔξεστι φαγεῖν εἰ μὴ μόνους τοὺς ἱερεῖς;

          Luk 6:4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?

          • There is no parallel here with Acts 2:38. Luke 6:4 is an example of straightforward narrative, which certainly records successive events. But the sequence in Acts 2:38 is that of an imperative (a command), followed by an affirmation. I.e., if you do these things (repent, be baptized), then this will happen to you. The connection is more like cause-and-effect.

  3. I will allow you to debate yourself on your last comment, for you said in your article

    “That this is not specifically stated does not mean it did not happen.”

    To say that no one had received the Spirit by the laying on of hands by the time of Acts 5:32 is a mere speculation on your part according to your own words and logic which you just used regarding Acts 8:12-13.

    “That this is not specifically stated does not mean it did not happen.”

    • I would say, though, that there would still have to be some sort of REASON to affirm that it happened–which there is not. I also would say that in the texts I cited it is specifically stated that the wonders and signs were being done “through the apostles,” and “by the hands of the apostles.” To me this means it is more reasonable to think that they were the only ones doing such things.

      • There is no reason for you to assume that the Samaritans of Acts 8 received some MYSTICAL INDWELLING of the Spirit at baptism, when the text clearly says they had not received the Spirit prior to the laying on of hands. Your assumption of Act of 8 is based solely on your false assumption of Acts 2:38.

        When we obey the Gospel God changes His mind about us resulting in our salvation, and when we obediently read / hear the scriptures given by the Spirit our minds can be transformed into the likeness of Christ.

        There is not a MYSTICAL transformation that takes place at baptism as you suggest.

        • You are misusing the word “mystical.” You mean “spiritual.” Otherwise, you are simply ignoring the main point of my essay, which is that the Holy Spirit is “received” in more ways than one. On the subject of the Holy Spirit’s literal indwelling within the body/heart/life of the Christian, see my book, Power from on High: What the Bible Says About the Holy Spirit, pp. 335-344. I do not intend to say more about it here.

  4. ” The only reference to the content of the tongue-speaking is in verse 11, which says they proclaimed “the mighty works of God.” The best inference is that these “mighty works” were the great events of deliverance and redemption recorded in the Old Testament.”

    I thought this was the disciples preaching Jesus but based on your comment would this be because Peter has not yet started preaching Jesus and when he does start his sermon he starts in the Old Testament?

    Peter seems to explain what they are doing based on the Old Testament Prophet but does that necessarily mean they were not preaching about Jesus before Peter stood?

    One commentary puts it this way:
    The wonderful works of God – Probably those which related to the miracles, death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, together with the effusion of his Spirit, as a fulfilment of his promises, and the glorious dispensations of Gospel grace. (John Wesley Commentary)

    Not to say they are always right but it does seem to fit with the beginning of the New Testament church.

    • My conclusion (that the content of the Pentecostal speaking in tongues was not about Jesus) is based not just on the statement in v. 11, but on three other points. One, there was no need to speak in the people’s native languages in order to communicate with them. All knew Greek; they conversed among themselves; Peter spoke to all in a single language when he preached his sermon. Two, consider the response of the audience when they heard the disciples speaking in the peoples’ own languages. There is nothing that suggests they were responding to facts about Jesus. Their only response is bewilderment (v. 6), amazement and astonishment (vv. 7, 12) — not at the content of the speaking, but simply at the FACT that these unlearned men knew their languages. Three, this shows that the principal function of the tongue-speaking was that of a miracle (a sign), not that of communicating a message. The parallel is the tongue-speaking of Cornelius and his household in Acts 10:44-48. They were “speaking in tongues and extolling God” (v. 46). The content was not directly relevant; the point was the sign value of the miracle — exactly as it was “at the beginning” (11:15), i.e., at Pentecost. In Acts 2, the tongue-speaking was intended simply to set the stage for what followed.

  5. You stated that (“Acts 2:38 makes it clear that this third way of receiving the Holy Spirit was a salvation event, being accompanied by the forgiveness of sins”) but doesn’t Acts 2:38 only says that repentance and baptism was unto the remission of sins, and that receiving the Holy Spirit would follow rather than being co-occurring?

    You further stated (“Acts 5:32 refers to “the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.” This must be a reference to this third way of receiving the Spirit, because this is the only one for which obedience to conditions is specified”) however wasn’t the giving of the Spirit by the laying on of hands only to those who had obeyed as recorded in Acts 8:14-15, 19:5-6, Mark 16:16-18?

    Act Act 8:14-15 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

    Act 19:5-6 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

    Mar 16:16-18 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    • In reference to my citation of Acts 5:32 as stating that a kind of obedience was the condition for receiving the Holy Spirit for salvation purposes, Mr. Pope suggests that here Peter may be talking about conditions for receiving the Spirit for the first or second purpose, via the laying on of apostles’ hands. I propose that this is not a reasonable understanding, because at the time Peter made that statement, no one except apostles is identified as a miracle-worker (Acts 2:43; 5:12). There is no reference to the laying on of apostles’ hands and anyone besides apostles receiving sign gifts until Acts 6 and following. But Acts 5:32 refers to something that has already been happening.