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  1. What would you say about women being youth or children’s ministers? If all you say is the true and accurate interpretation of these passages, does it still apply to women who hold positions of authority over youth?

    • Paul is very clear that this prohibition applies to men — not women, not boys, not children. We are then required to make a judgment as to when a boy becomes a man. This is a decision the elders of the local church should make; we may have slightly different conclusions about this and should not quarrel over it. Some cultural considerations may result in different ages being cited. My recommendation is that in the USA males be considered boys until out of high school; then considered men.

    • I read the article referenced here and approve of its reasoning and conclusions. The article is titled “The Concept of ‘Authoritative Teaching’ and the Role of Women in Congregational Worship.” The author is Dr. R. Fowler White, professor of New Testament at Knox Theological Seminary.

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  3. How do you reconcile this with Galatians 3:28? Aren’t we all reconciled with Christ now that he has paid the price for our sins? Aren’t we all now free of the curse? I have read many different teachings on this. It seems to be an area of deep conflict.

    • Thank you, Shirley Keesling, for this request. I have discussed Galatians 3:28 in great detail in my book, Gender Roles and the Bible: Creation, the Fall, and Redemption, chapter 5, pp. 217-301. I have summarized the data on pp. 432-434 in my book, The Faith Once for All: Bible Doctrine for Today. Perhaps I can copy this shorter version for my next essay on this website.

  4. Having graduated a son and a daughter from ‘CBC’ as well as a son-in-law, I am aware of your work and have several of your books in my arsenal. I also had the pleasure of meeting you and talking to you several years ago during a Men’s Retreat at Elkhorn Vally Christian Service Camp. This said I have great respect for you and your work and have eagerly read several of your recent essays that have been forwarded to me by a very good friend.

    This is a topic that has been bouncing around the Christian Church since I joined 25 years ago. I think of the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4), did she teach the village? I think of Phillips unmarried daughters (Acts 21), did they preach? And of course, I must consider the passage from 1 Timothy 2.

    As I see this soon leading to a split within the church, I am inclined to give it more thought. Your essay, though written at a high academic level,
    does come across for the most part to those of us with basic education. It boils everything down to syntax and semantics. I learned six years ago in my first trip into the mission field that translation is much more than exchanging an English word for its Spanish equivalent. You must convey the meaning of the English idiom to a proper Spanish equivalent. Having no background in Greek or Hebrew is one of the very few reasons I use commentaries, is to try to understand a little of what was said originally.

    As you point out we are seeing more and more misinterpretation of Scripture in a move to make Scripture fit our ideas instead of the other way around. I have several criteria in Bible study. First is context, does my understanding of a passage fit with the context the passage is set in? Second, as a preacher friend taught me, is the ‘Full Council of Scripture’ (as Scripture is the best commentary on Scripture), what does the rest of Scripture say as relates to a passage? Third is what does the original language say, does it support the findings of the first and second? This is all done hopefully with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, without which it would be far worse than Greek to me.

    This third step can be very difficult because we are looking through a very small opening back across 2000 years, we have little actual understanding of what was meant. We have to infer most from what little information is available. This is where another teachers advice comes into effect; ‘What did the early church fathers say about a passage”? The first century was dominated by the Apostolic writings, the best of which we now call the New Testament. The second and third century were dominated by their students and their students students. These men were only a ‘jot or tittle’ away from the original and I am sure much better understood what was being said than we do. I would be interested to see what men like Polycarp had to say on this subject as it relates to the scriptures.

    What your essay is telling me is that some are taking step three first by finding the meaning “they want” to the original then doing their best to force the first two into this convoluted view or ignoring them all together. They look for the meaning of the original outside of Christian writings because they find it hard to support their views from inside Christian writings which in reality are the only accurate measure of what Scripture is saying.

    The real question is where do you draw the line, what constitutes teaching and preaching? As I wrote to my friend;
    “I have given a lot of thought to the feminist movement items you have
    posted recently. My simple mind boils it down to two things, Evangelism
    and preaching. Evangelism is the call of all Christians, regardless of
    sex, and deals with personal testimony. We all should use our personal
    testimony to reach out to the unchurched as well as to encourage fellow
    Christians. In this capacity I see no conflict with scripture as I am
    aware of it. The problem arises when women take others testimony,
    including scriptural testimony, and use it to preach and teach. At that
    point you are in direct conflict with scripture.”

    I apologize for the ramblings and will put my soapbox away now. I will be seeking to find how the early church fathers interpreted this important passage.

    Your brother in Christ,
    Al Swegan

    • I don’t understand. How can I be allowed to be a missionary (like Phylis Rhine) and preach to men and convert men to follow Jesus (like Priscilla) but once they become Christians, I can’t preach to them anymore?

      It doesn’t make sense to me that I’m allowed to stand in the market place overseas and preach Jesus to 1,000 men and then as soon as one gets baptized, I’m no longer allowed to preach to him while I’m preaching to the other 999. So, once I convert the one guy to Jesus do I have to tell him he’s no longer allowed to listen to me while I’m preaching to the other 999 – even though he may learn something from me (like the men who listened to Pricilla)?

      Can you help me understand this?

      • Patricia – Dr. Cottrell addresses this in his books – but situations like yours are always assumed to be temporary. If there is no man to teach the lost – then a woman must share the gospel. But when a woman does so with the intention of training a man to take on that leadership – because that is the ONLY option available to her – then of course she is acting out of a desire to honor both commands of scripture – obey Paul’s teaching on authority by quickly creating the situation where men can take over – AND obeying by sharing the gospel. What feminists do is take this EXCEPTION and make it the RULE. I know many many people in your situation. They are friends of mine – Phyllis Rhine in fact was my mothers room mate in college. Mom was supposed to go on that trip to Africa that cost Phyllis her life. If she had I would never have been born. At any rate – don’t make the mistake many do when applying apostolic authority – use a very complex or rare EXCEPTION and use it to justify it generally. I am sure Dr. Cottrell would state this better than I. Your motive is very important here Patricia – are you trying to follow apostolic teaching or are you trying to justify your personal beliefs? If the latter is true – then you have a problem – however – it looks to me like you are trying to follow correct teaching – you WILL come to a correct understanding that sets your mind at ease. 🙂

        • oops I was a little wrong when I said IF a man is not there to do it – BOTH men and women are to share the gospel. Sorry 🙂

  5. Dear Mr. Cottrell,
    Once again you have whet the appetite of your readers toward further study. It is always beneficial study the Word of God to understand what He intends to say rather than for what we want to prove.
    I would like to read a follow up essay that brings the following comments into play: “a woman should learn in quietness and full submission.”, and “…she must be silent.” (NIV 2005) (I Tim. 2:11 and I Cor. 14:34,35).
    It might also be valuable to include a consistent understanding of how I Cor. 11:3-16 fits in as well with regard this subject. How does the idea of “must be silent” work consistently with “prophesying and/or praying”? How does teaching relate to prophesying? Who are the hearers? When and where are things done or not done?
    As you have have shown in this essay, a proper understanding of the actual Word of God, is the key to understanding what God intends rather than what man desires to prove.
    Respectfully submitted,
    David Prentice

    • Reply to David Prentice: I have discussed 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 in great detail in my book, Headship, Submission, and the Bible, chapter 20. In this passage verse 5 mentions women praying and prophesying, which I believe refer to the miraculous spiritual gifts of prophecy and tongues (i.e., praying in tongues). This is the same subject Paul is discussing in 1 Cor. 14:26-40, where he lays down rules for the orderly expression of these same spiritual gifts in the gathered assembly. Here (vv. 34-35) is where he says women must keep silent in the church. I.e., even if they have the gifts of prophecy and tongues, which they can use in private or in small groups (1 Cor. 11:5), they are not permitted to use them in the assembly. The word used in 1 Cor. 14:28, 30, 34 (“be silent”) is different from the one used in 1 Timothy 2:11, 12. The former is the Greek sigao, which means literally to be silent, not to speak. In the context it is limited to the use of the gifts of prophecy and tongues. The word used in 1 Timothy, though, is hesuchia, which means “quietness” in the sense of a quiet and uncontentious attitude. See the adjective form of the same word (hesuchios) in 1 Timothy 2:2, referring to living a quiet life; and in 1 Peter 3:4, which says that women must have a quiet spirit (i.e., attitude).