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  1. Dear Dr Jack.
    May I lay out what I’ve pieced together, for your comments please?
    God gives us the gift of eternal life when we are saved. Doesn’t that imply that we didn’t have the capacity to live forever prior to receiving that gift?
    My pastor is an annihilationist, so I am struggling with this. I also thought Hell, as in the second death, not Hades, was meant for the fallen angels, not human souls, initially, yet God isn’t improvising with the unsaved, surely!

    I get that the ‘forever and ever’ words for their punishment are the same ones we claim to mean when it says we’ll spend eternity with the Lord, ( so we’re not to diminish what forever means!) yet I am also told these words are applied to Sodom and Gomorrah as smoking for ever, yet we see that has stopped. Is Gehenna currently Jerusalem’s midden heap, worm writhing and smoking from fires? How about fires that can’t be extinguished, but do go out in God’s will when enough punishment has occurred?

    I am left unsure of these references to eternity, and indeed a timeline, because I thought God sees the end from the beginning, which seems to mean that only we experience time, not God.

    I’m happy and relieved to trust Him on this, of course, but when dealing with unbelievers, annihilation after punishment seems not unjust, whereas to them, burning forever is. I confess to some discomfort because it seems so huge a thing to suffer. The unsaved may indeed exist forever without God in a state of graceless separation, and at the mercy of evil spirits for company, but God actively sends them to the firey pit. That means this final Hell is worse than mere separation from God by not choosing to be with Him, as some describe Hell. And we should remember no one currently knows what living without God’s influence and grace really means. The just and the unjust, we all receive the rain ( a blessing) at the moment. It will be terrible without the Lord!

  2. Is life sustained by God? Can any entity continue living apart from God’s presence? What is the meaning of time outside of God’s presence? Since, we know God is eternal, has God willed anything to posses that same eternality, therefore eternally sustained by its own acquired life? God loves and therefore sustains the life of those He loves. Those not “in Christ” do not receive the benefit of Christ. Universalism believes that all both “in Christ” and those “outside. Christ” will ultimately live eternally in God’s life giving and sustaining presence. Is it the perfect justice of God which sustains the life of those who will receive eternal punishment? Does God receive glory from eternal punishment or His own just measured punishment?

    • I count at least six questions in this comment. I may not be able to address all of them. All existence is on a time-line, including God’s. But only God has existed from eternity past and will inherently exist for eternity future. I.e., only God is self-existent; everything else that exists is sustained in existence by the omnipotence of God, no matter what kind of existence it is (angelic, spiritual, physical, whatever). Only God is inherently eternal. Everything else (i.e., every created being) has come into existence at a point of time. But God has purposed that some of his created beings will exist into the eternal future, sustained by his omnipotence. To exist is not necessarily to live. Some non-living things will exist forever (e.g., new heavens and new earth). Living human souls will exist forever, both lost and saved. The eternal future existence of the saved is a state of LIFE; the eternal future existence of the lost is a state of DEATH. Do not confuse death with non-existence. Is the eternality of hell consistent with God’s nature? See my book, The Faith Once for All, pp. 584ff., for a section on “Hell and the Nature of God.” E.g., “Hell is the just and righteous expression of God’s wrath toward unrepentant sinners.” But how can a finite act (a human sin) deserve infinite punishment (infinite in terms of future time)? “The usual reply to this is that there is an element of infinity in every sin because every sin is committed against the infinite God. [See quotes, Erickson, Dixon, Walvoord, Habermas/Moreland, Wells.] “Actually, God has provided two infinite responses to sin: the infinite sacrifice of Christ on the cross, and infinite suffering in hell.” Two considerations: (1) God does not send anyone to hell arbitrarily (cf. free will). (2) We must allow for the reality of DEGREES of punishment to vindicate God’s justice in the end. “The justice of God will ensure that no one’s punishment is more than he deserves.”

  3. Thank you professor. I was asked this question today and though you have set me to think in the right direction, I have yet to demonstrate the eternality of hell and suffering to my fellow Soldier. I know I studied this in your book and I wish I had it with me as I am currently deployed. Mental note for the future–always pack Faith Once For All.