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  2. Election is Corporate AND Individual

    The third and final key to understanding Romans 9 is that election is both corporate and individual.

    There is a long-standing debate about election, regarding whether Paul is talking about corporate election or individual election. That is, when Paul writes about the election of Israel, or God’s choice of Jacob over Esau, is Paul talking about the individuals within Israel, and the individual destinies of Jacob and Esau, or is Paul referring instead to the national and corporate destinies of Israel (which came from Jacob) and Edom (which came from Esau)?

    Usually, the battle lines over this debate are determined by whether a person is a Calvinist or not. As Calvinists believe and teach the individual election of certain people to eternal life, they are more likely to understand and explain Romans 9 in this light. Those who do not hold to Calvinism tend to interpret Romans 9 as teaching corporate election. Henry Halley, author of Halley’s Bible Handbook, is one such writer:

    Paul is not discussing the predestination of individuals to salvation or condemnation, but is asserting God’s absolute sovereignty in the choice and management of nations for world functions (Halley’s Bible Handbook, 527).

    So which is it? Is Paul talking about individual election or corporate election?

    I believe that in Romans 9 Paul is teaching both corporate and individual election.
    Since it is the purposes of God that determine who gets elected and to what form of service they are elected, then it is God who decides when He needs to call individuals and when He needs to call nations or groups of people to perform certain tasks.

    Of course, even when election is corporate, it is true that God’s purpose for that group of people is carried out by individuals within the group, and so in this sense, we can say that even corporate election has an individual aspect.

    On the other hand, the benefit to corporate election is that even if some individuals within the corporate identity do not contribute to fulfill the purpose of the corporate entity, there will be some within the group that will fulfill their purpose, thus accomplishing God’s purpose in election.

  3. What it’s your Christian background? Are you referring to unconditional election to unlimited atonement? Or referring to unconditional election to service which has nothing to do with salvation?

    • Question #1: very anti-Calvinist. Question #2: is not clear. Question #3: in Romans 9 the unconditional election applies mainly to the NATION of Israel (not to individuals as such) and it is unconditional election to a role of SERVICE, not to salvation.

  4. This post is pure greatness; thank you, Dr Cottrell.

    One might add: a related problem with how Calvinists read Romans 9 is that they disregard how that chapter’s teaching is refocused & reshaped in Romans 10-11. Reading the whole unit (9-11) instead of one part in isolation makes it clear that Paul has corporate election in mind, NOT individual election.

    • I appreciate this comment. I have to note, however, that while Paul’s point includes corporate election (of Israel), it is not limited to such, as indicated in the references to Isaac, Jacob, and Pharaoh. But since the point is about election to service (i.e., to serving in God’s redemptive plan), the issue of corporate vs. individual election is irrelevant in Romans 9. I might add that even in the case of election to salvation, the fact that such election is grounded in God’s foreknowledge (Rom. 8:29) means that it is individual election and not corporate election.

  5. Hello Mr. Cottrell. The article is well written, but I don’t think it holds up under examination. Let me offer what I think is the most obvious example.

    The text says, “The older will serve the younger.” If it is election to service as your article indicates then who is the one serving in this text? Is it not Esau?

    So then if it is election to service that is in view here and Esau is the one that is serving then it stands to reason that from your hermeneutic that Esau and the Edomites must be the ones who are elect since it is he who is the one serving according to the text.

    However, we both know that is contrary with the entire teaching of Scripture. Not only the entirety of Scripture but here in this text as well. The one serving is the one God hates and the one being served is the one God loves. So how is it an election to service? Is it an election to God’s hatred? Should it instead be understood as an election to being served? If that is the case then how are we to understand Jesus and the Apostle’s teaching on serving and not being served?

    If I am understanding your article correctly it seems your view would throw the entire context upside down and would create further difficulties in other parts of Scripture if it is applied to it as you have presented it. I know that is not your intention but it seems to be the logical consequence when considered contextually.

    • Mel, I’m sorry that I do not have an opinion on this. I am too “old school,” stuck in the era of paper. I actually have Logos Bible Software’s level 5 collection online, but I never refer to it. I’m sure others can give better advice than I.

    • Caison, It appears that your reasoning is a bit backwards. Jacob is the one chosen to bear the promises of God (for service). An intertextual exegetical study will demonstrate that two nations were in their mother’s womb, and the person Esau never served the individual Jacob in his lifetime. Hence, Paul’s statement was being comprehended on a corporate level. Notwithstanding, the declaration of God’s love and hatred to the twins did not come forth until 500 years after their existence through Malachi’s prophecy.

      Overall, the idea that Paul could wish that he were accursed from Christ for his brethren (9:3), and His heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved (10:1), only validates that he did not believe that some were predestined to eternal reprobation, else he would be demonstrating a greater love than God, and would be praying outside of His divine will. Hence, contextually speaking, it is hard pressed to draw a doctrine of specific individual election from the passage in question.