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Saved by Grace #9 — IS BAPTISM A WORK? — 17 Comments

  1. I know I am late to the party, but it seems as though we have a war of “things” that save us.
    Sam says, “Either a man is saved by faith or man is saved by baptism.”
    Both of these are misplaced thinking.
    God saves us.
    Christ saves us.
    Faith and Baptism are not what saves us, but are what allow us to be saved.
    If faith and/or baptism saves us, then wherein is the forgiveness.
    Our faith, repentance, baptism places us before Jesus who forgives us.
    But then again, if we say we have faith, say we are repentant and are even baptized, this doesn’t grant us salvation if these things are not done with true faith, true repentance.
    Although I used to argue like this, we must, whatever side you happen to be on, resist it.
    Must we have faith, yes, must we repent, yes, must we be baptized, yes, but all these things are nothing without Jesus, because Jesus saves, because Jesus forgives.
    Of course we cannot approach Jesus as unclean and unconverted, but it is still God’s grace that does what we cannot do, even after we have done it all.

  2. I think back to my baptism. I was not just a dunking like my brother & sister used to do while playing in the lake. My baptism was Special. I arose out of the water with most glorious feeling.
    I did not have that special feeling when I gave my profession of faith.
    Often I think back to that feeling and wish I could have it again but it was a once in a lifetime. I am now under Grace of God covered by the blanket of Saviour Redeemer Christ Jesus. I can go to God and ask forgiveness of my sins and God will forgive me because He acknowledges me as one in the sheepfold.

    • Being under the blanket of the Savior Jesus means that you are under the blanket of forgiveness at all times. See Romans 4:7-8. As a Christian you can go to God and THANK him for his forgiveness of your sins, because God IS FORGIVING you at all times. Being justified (forgiven) means that we are living in a STATE of forgivenness. And yes, it began when you met Jesus in the waters of baptism!

  3. I agree with the reasoning here. I used to believe that baptism was a “work” that people did, rather than seeing that God gave His grace to those who obeyed Him.

    I cannot do anything to earn God’s grace. All I can do is obediently receive His saving grace.

    I think that Paul refers to that as being “obedient from the heart.”

  4. Jack,

    Questions, does the quote in your post “Zwingli of course knew this was a new view. He declared that “everyone before me has been wrong about baptism.” have a source? or is this a paraphrase on your part of his beliefs? Just curious. Thanks for your post!

    • This is a direct quotation (in translation, of course) from Zwingli’s 1523 essay on baptism: “In this matter of baptism, all the doctors have been in error from the time of the apostles…. For all the doctors have ascribed to the water a power which it does not have and the holy apostles did not teach.” “The Fathers were in error…because they thought that the water itself effects cleansing and salvation” (“Of Baptism,” in Zwingli and Bullinger, “Library of Christian Classics,” vol. 24 [Westminster 1953], pp. 130, 156). He is wrong, of course, in thinking that these “doctors” (i.e., teachers) believed that it was the WATER that brought about the cleansing, rather than God himself. He is quite correct in saying that they believed the salvation occurred at the time of the baptism.

      • I made a mistake on the date when Zwingli published his essay “Of Baptism.” It actually was published on May 27, 1525, not 1523.

  5. Very well said! You explained this better than I’ve seen anyone else do so. I think you nailed it on the head regarding Paul’s use of the word “works”. It’s very evident to me that people have expanded its definition far beyond Paul’s intended scope. The part about Luther was enlightening to me. Thanks for posting this!

  6. So, those who have death bed conversions are doing so in vain according to your philosophy. So much for accepting Christ at the end of life, no baptism, no salvation.

    • Your concern is valid, but your conclusions are premature. I have several essays here on my website that address this concern. Just type “necessity of baptism” into the search box.

      • With all due respect, the allowance of man’s “under normal circumstances ” is an attempt to justify a doctrine contrary to, and adding stipulations, beyond what the Bible teaches. Who is man to assume God makes exceptions? Either a man is saved by faith or man is saved by baptism. If a man is saved by faith, there is no need for man’s stipulation of ‘under normal circumstances ‘ for those deathbed conversions and no need for other stipulations to live his eternal life with God. If a man is saved by baptism, then deathbed conversions require man’s assumption of ‘under normal circumstances’ to be saved. Romans 10:9, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” My conversion was upon my confession of faith and baptism came after that conversion as an outward sign to other believers that I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Throughout Acts, baptism is used as a sign of conversion, not a source of conversion. I realize you have always held your doctrine and this discussion will not persuade you to accept baptism as a sign. And, having read your doctrine I will never accept baptism is a source of salvation. I do appreciate your post and the opportunity to discuss important doctrinal issues. This discussion will be resolved when we meet Jesus face to face and ask him about this doctrinal question.

        • Sam
          Just a point you might want to consider on your use of Romans 10. If you consider the letter of Romans from chapter 1 to 16 a single letter which I believe it is. The way you use chapter 10 it is out of context.

  7. Some months ago a preacher proclaimed that baptism in the NT took the place of circumcision in the OT. I challenged him on it and he pointed me to a place in Col. and upon reading it I saw that the fellow didn’t know what he was talking about. Your article was abundantly clear on the subject. Thank you, my brother.

  8. So I was baptized in a Conservative Baptist Church and now I am a member of a non-denomination Christian Church. My question is, do I need to be baptized again just because mans interpretation differ?

    • My answer is based on Colossians 2:12, which says that God’s work in baptism is conditioned not upon what a denomination teaches nor upon what the baptizer believes, but on the faith of the one being baptized. You have to ask yourself, to the best of your memory, if you were believing that God was somehow working upon you in that moment. You would not have to understand the details; that usually comes later. But there must be some “faith in the working of God.” That is my “man’s interpretation” of what GOD has said.