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  1. Dr. Jack cottrell what do you mean here when you say The connotation of experiencing a relationship does not transfer well to the concept of foreknowledge, since foreknowledge as such precedes the existence of its object, precluding an experienced relationship????

  2. Dr. Jack cottrell what you trying to says in GREEK KOINE Is yes GOD FORE- ORDAINED The PERSON BECAUSE HE FOREKNEW FIRST BEFORE HE FOREORDAINED. RIGHT THE CALVINIST INTERPRETATION GOD FOREORDAINED FIRST BEFORE HE FOREKNEW AM I RIGH???

    • I do not think the distinction between Classical Greek and Koine Greek helps us in any way to understand the meaning of foreknowledge in Romans 8:29. This is a blind alley and should be shut down. There is no doubt that foreknowledge precedes foreordination. The usual Calvinist view is not the opposite of this, however. The usual Calvinist view is that foreknowledge IS foreordination.

      • Hi Dr. Cottrell,

        Thank you for posting this well-written and well-researched article. I found your discussion of “foreknowledge” very thorough. As you referenced in this article regarding 11:2, Paul sometimes uses this term in relation to people groups. As you are most aware, for various reasons Paul discusses distinct people groups (Jews and Gentiles) in his letter to the Romans. Sometimes it’s in relation to the sinfulness of both groups. Sometimes it’s in relation to God’s plan of salvation for both groups. Sometimes, it’s in relation to their God-ordained roles they play in His plan of salvation for the world. (ie: 1:16, 2:9-12, 3:9, 3:19-24, 4:11-12, 4:16, 8:28-29, 9:24, 10:4, 11:17, 11:30-31) I’m curious, because we see Paul focus so much on the salvation history and roles of these two groups throughout this letter, is it possible that Paul was referring to the foreknowledge of a people group (probably the Gentiles) in 8:29 as you rightfully pointed out that he had in view in 11:2? I’m not versed in Greek, so I’m wondering if the Greek gives any indication that Paul was not referring to people groups.

        I would suggest that Paul’s discussion in Ephesians regarding predestination, a term somewhat connected to this idea of foreknowledge here in 8:28-30, was in relation to people groups as well. http://jackcottrell.com/notes/does-ephesians-11-11-support-calvinism/

        It seems possible that Paul’s point here in Romans may be very similar that in Ephesians.

  3. It seems to me that the term “foreknowledge” must always, by definition, mean something profoundly different when applied to God than it does when applied to a human.

    Humans, bound by time, have foreknowledge only to the extent that God shares information with us. God, unbound by time and separate from it (time itself being his creation), simply has knowledge. We proceed through time linearly, and therefore use the term “foreknowledge” to describe something that is, frankly, unique to God.

    God’s knowledge is never predictive or precognitive. God observes all of time in a way that human words cannot ever capture: we are tempted to say God observes all of time at once, but “at once” refers to time. We literally cannot conceive of this timelessness, so there are no words that address it correctly or reliably.

    This presents a serious problem. Regardless of the grammar and the language of origin, there’s a limit to the value in parsing the language around a word like “foreknowledge.”

    Because the word refers to a characteristic that humans literally can never grasp, the context clues always have to be interpreted in light of the characteristic of God, and we must be careful *not* to apply human characteristics and limitations to our understanding of that word.

    Precognition in humans is time-bound, and only occurs when God shares knowledge with us (i.e., his prophets). The term does not have special meaning when applied to God — he does not look ahead from his current position, as we might if we had foreknowledge. He simply knows what is, regardless of where it happen/s/ed along a timeline.

    Anticipation is strictly part of creation. It is not a trait of God.

    In that sense, then, God’s knowledge and God’s choice are inseparable. It is not plausible to argue, as some do, that God set a system of rules in motion and stood aside to see what would happen: God cannot simultaneously wait to see what happens and also foreknow what will happen. God made creation according to his will, and, existing apart from it (including time), he knows it all “at once.”

    Election, therefore, seems an inescapable conclusion, regardless of the limitations of Greek vocabulary and grammar.

    • I disagree with almost everything this commentator says, but I will include it here anyway. I believe that one of the most serious false speculations about the nature of God is the notion of his “timelessness.” I have critiqued this false idea in an essay on God and Time, found here: http://evangelicalarminians.org/jack-cottrell-understanding-god-god-and-time/ . Attempting to exclude time and the experience of time from the nature of God requires us to create a concept of God that is alien to Biblical revelation.