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Is Baptism an Act of Obedience to a Command? — 6 Comments

  1. Hello brother Jack. (above oeuvre is Christian) You typed: (paraphrased) ‘Today under the new Covenant, our sovereign God has promulgated baptism to be His incontrovertible configuration for (in order to/lol) His created being’s salvation.’ In 1968 (through marriage) I was taught this doctrine. For 40+ years I preached/debated/and taught it through studies. I was always jealous of the simplicity of: “anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ (but I had my scriptures to prove that concept wrong) Unbaptized 18 year old soldier’s dying while crying for their mommas & for God to save them. This is beyond disturbing for my ‘God of mercy’ to choose a law over His free gift of mercy. I believe reality (hold a dying unbaptized person begging God for salvation) & logic has proven we teach His “free gift” isn’t truly free. 1.) “I would not say it is “impossible” for God to save us without baptism”…..Brother I agree and am proud of you, buuutttt, if you preach that from the pulpit next Sunday morning, you’ll be fired by that afternoon. Our doctrine claims it is impossible. No exceptions! 2.) ‘In a triune salvation, (God, man, water) water is not equal.’ Brother, my pure logic dictates that without water there would be no salvation. To me, that makes all three equal. 3.) “There are two different sources of salvation, but just one.” Brother, an interesting concept which I will study. Have to get back to you on that one. lol Jerry

  2. As included in the new covenant as swearing of an oath, God has limited himself by the covenant itself. I was baptized to be in Christ. My life is to be like Christ, I am promised to be with Christ.

  3. At age 71 I have become as honest as possible in studying the bible. I was a member of the church of Christ for 4+ decades. Demanding baptism appears as a triune salvation. It demands that it is impossible for God to save us by Himself. He must use Himself, a human male, and the earthly element H2o. Remove any one of the equal three and the salvation is impossible. This appearing undeniable logic appears correct. Opinions please. Jerry

    • Baptism is not something God HAS to use in saving us; He did not use it under the Old Covenant. It is simply a sovereign decision of God to do it this way in the New Covenant age. So I would not go so far as to say “that it is impossible” for God to save us without baptism. I would not agree that these three elements are “equal.” God and the “human male” are equal, since the human male is also himself God in the flesh. In a real sense these are not two different sources of salvation, but just one.

      • Thank you Dr. for your reply & willingness to discuss this topic. Here is my problem understanding this subject: “I would not go so far as to say “that it is impossible” for God to save us without baptism.” Dearest brother, as to the logic of that statement, what would be an example of God saving a human (today) without baptism? As I ponder this it appears impossible to say, ‘baptism is God’s final step of salvation’, but ‘He can also, and sometimes does save sinners without the baptismal process.’ I would think it has to be one or the other. Never ‘potentially’ both. 1.) ‘Call on the name of the Lord’ for salvation: A simple one on one relationship between a human and God. No one nor anything else involved. God & His sinful child. Dr., using this logic, a prisoner, death bed, combat soldier, desert traveler, astronaut, et al, could all be saved simply by pleading to God. 2.) Baptism: Triune salvation with a.) God, b.) a human, c.) H2o. Triune because to remove any one of the three equals ‘no salvation.’ Millions/billions will be lost because a human, H2o, or both are not available. Which form of salvation would God opt for? 1st Tim 2:4: God wishes every human to be saved. Finally, in debating with Baptists, et al, for near 1/2 century, a fact grasped that every scripture can be countered. Eg., Acts 2:38, “FOR”: ‘In order to be saved?’ Or, ‘Because you were saved? Brother, so sorry for the book. Jerry